Possible referendums, rental of prison places abroad, « unacceptable » Israeli acts in Gaza … The ten key moments of the interview – Liberation
An unprecedented format since October 2022, that of an Emmanuel Macron « On the grill » of a television set, according to the formula used by the Élysée. And also an explosive cast To cook the head of state for more than three long hours this Tuesday, May 13 in the evening on TF1. On the screens of the special program « The challenges of France », notably appeared the journalist of Blast Salomé Saqué, who questioned him about the youth, the former co -founder of Reporter Sans Frontière (RSF) Robert Ménard, now mayor of Béziers close to the extreme right, who invoked the security subjects without surprise, and the patron of the CGT Sophie Binet, logically expected on industry and pension reform. In the first part, the President of the Republic also spoke on international issues. Here are the ten important moments of the evening.
A few days after a trip to Kyiv, Emmanuel Macron was questioned at the start of the program on the war in Ukraine. He defended a balanced position of support for Volodymyr Zelensky, in particular by sending weapons, without however « Never get into an escalation ». « What is happening in Ukraine is our security, we want peace », says the head of state. « We don’t want to do the third world war », he insists for those who tax him to be « Going-war ». But « We cannot abandon Ukraine », he insists. He notably threatened Russia with new sanctions if it « Confirm the non-compliance » of a ceasefire.
Questioned about the development of a more coordinated European defense, the President of the Republic highlighted the « Nuclear doctrine ». « Given as long as we live, I wanted us to be able to hire, with all the partners who wish, an exercise to look if we can go further », he added. An approach to which he sets three conditions: « France will not pay for others »,, « It will not subtract what we need for us »and finally « The final decision » use of nuclear weapons « Will always come back to the President of the Republic, chief of the armies ».
Much later in the show, the Elysée tenant was launched on the situation in the Middle East, where he recently went. Saying first of all that he does not have to qualify the situation in Gaza as « genocide »but rather to « Historians », Emmanuel Macron then strongly denounced the policy of the Israeli Prime Minister: « What the government of Benyamin Netanyahu is doing today is unacceptable », « a shame », he added. He notably regretted that « All the help that France and other countries transport » either « Blocked by the Israelis ». Unlike the United States which could twist the arm of Netanyahu, because the Hebrew State « Depends on American weapons ». Furthermore, the question of a revision of « Cooperation agreements » between the European Union and Israel is « Open », threatened Emmanuel Macron.
In the fairly lively discussion who opposed it to the secretary general of the CGT, Sophie Binet, the president was put in difficulty on his economic theory. He has released his own graphic on the creation of industrial jobs up in his five -year term, but the unionist pointed out to him that the curve has been reversing since 2023. And on cases of Vancorex and ArcelorMittalstrategic industries, he swept the hypothesis of nationalizing them. In a hurry to do it by Sophie Binet, he says that « Nationalization is useless » Even if EDF was in 2022 to serve the country’s ambitions in terms of nuclear recovery, « To say that nationalization is an answer is to lie to people. »
“You are essential to work up to 64 years. A reform imposed against the advice of millions of workers ”, said Sophie Binet, Who required a referendum to ask the French if they wish to abolish the extension of the retirement age. Gilles Bouleau recalled in passing that 68 % of those questioned are favorable to such consultation. « No, no referendum »nevertheless evacuated the head of state. He recalled to the boss of the CGT that he had campaigned on this subject in 2022, believing that he can draw a legitimacy. And Sophie Binet to retort, hand on her heart: « In front of you there was the extreme right, even I voted for you! » « Thank you first », Macron replied all smiles, before resuming his argument, without deviating from an iota.
The Head of State then called for the opening of a site for reflection around the financing of the French social model. « »I hope that a social conference moved in on the method of financing our social model. He is 80 years old this year, it is a treasure of the Republic. Simply, its funding is too much based on work ”he said. « We must launch a reflection on work developments », advanced the president, without however saying much more about the terms.
Faced with the mayor of Béziers, Robert Ménard, who recited his security obsessions, Emmanuel Macron announced an unprecedented measure: the rental of prison places abroad, in the event of prison overcrowding. Minister of Justice Gérald Darmanin would have « Started to watch », informs the president, according to whom this proposal « Is one of the things we are ready to do ». The head of state also validated the idea of involve detainees at the expense of their incarcerationrecently put on the table by Darmanin, and qualified as « Completely relevant ».
The Head of State defended the text examined at the moment in the assembly on the end of life, a law according to him of « balance« , Who goes « Develop our law« , And which he said he wanted « Let it be voted ». Then he paved the way to a referendum on this subject in the event of a storage of the debates in the hemicycle. « »I will only do it if it is blocked, but first there is the work of the parliament ”, he said.
Beyond this subject of the end of life, Emmanuel Macron reformulated his will, already expressed during his wishes of December 31, of « solicitThe French, via several referendums, without giving more clues to the fields concerned. On immigration? « I do not see the subject that would fall within the field of article 11 », he replies. To modernize the political system by establishing proportional to the legislative elections? « No sense ». On public finances, As François Bayrou wishes ? “If some reforms can go to the referendum, why not. But we must be careful, economic and social reforms are in the field of article 11, taxation and budget, it is a competence of the Parliament, it is not an object of referendum ”. Clearly, nothing is clear.
Difficulties in staying, Interminable tails In front of the food distributions … This Tuesday evening, it was the Salomé Sacéquilier journalist who was made the spokesperson for young people and of their issues. To answer it, Emmanuel Macron announced a « Social social payment ». « Young people who do not live with their parents, this is where there is poverty », he noted, offering to create a « Single scholarship » « For a young person who does not live with his parents have a scholarship and a APL », without detailing more. « But why now? »exclaimed Salomé saqué. « Because it’s super complicated, (…) it’s awfully long to set up », justified the president.
« Why not introduce nutrition lessons at school and increase sports hours at school? », questioned The most followed influencer in Francefirst in the world on YouTube, and specializing in content dedicated to bodybuilding. Reminiscent that « Sedentary lifestyle and obesity are major public health problems ». « Well he is completely right », Responds to TAC to TAC Emmanuel Macron, in an almost complete with the web star who has already revealed having voted for him. « The 30 minutes of sport every day at school, it is a great instrument, Tibo Inshape said it very well, of prevention of overweight », he added.
The Prime Minister is the big absent of the evening, almost never mentioned by Emmanuel Macron, while he is in theory responsible for finding majorities in the Assembly, to hope to have everything that the president has just announced. The tenant of Matignon is also expected this Wednesday for a hearing before the parliamentary commission of inquiry into the Betharram affair. What Gilles Bouleau noted at the end of the program. « François Bayrou, when he was minister fought against violence against children, » he recalled, assuring having « Many speaking » with him of the case in question. « »I know who he is. He is a man I have known for many years. I have confidence in him « .
