How did the telephone conversation of the presidents of the United States and Russia go in the report « Kommersant »
On May 19, Russian President Vladimir Putin from the Sochi Music School for more than two hours talked with US President Donald Trump. Special correspondent « Kommersant » Andrey Kolesnikov – About how the Russian president again received time for negotiations. Now – to prepare a memorandum.
Journalists guessed that she would have to wait for work on this day in Sochi until Vladimir Putin would talk with Donald Trump on the phone, but were able to make sure only on the spot. And they waited, as you know, for several hours. The only conversation on the phone lasted more than two hours.
Not only journalists were waiting. Behind the fence of the territory of the music school, which was to be opened, private development immediately begins. The nearest house has a high first floor. So, a characteristic trinity regularly appeared on the porch. Men in Alcoholic T-shirts defiantly went out to smoke, but not just like that, but with a guitar. Thoughtfully sorted out the strings. They set themselves up a tool for interaction with a music school.
Inside the music school, the cellist and conductor, the founder of the Talent and Success, Sergey Roldugin, who spends a lot of time spending a lot of time in Sirius.
“Well: not yet?!” He asked everything to colleagues-organizers.
This question was heard over and over again with an increasing degree of despair.
No, not yet. And no.
It was some surprise that Vladimir Putin, having finished the conversation, suddenly appeared in front of journalists. Apparently, at the last moment he decided to say a few words. Obviously, he did not trust someone else. Otherwise, it would still be a spoiled phone. And directly with Mr. Trump, it was he who spoke.
That is, this was the rare case when he, commenting on the results of the conversation, was ahead of the seemingly instantly reacting Mr. Trump, who could delightfully extract a PR effect from such situations.
“My colleagues asked me to say a few words about the results of our telephone conversation with the President of the United States,” Vladimir Putin warned.
Of course, he himself would not. But colleagues asked.
“Indeed, this conversation took place,” the President of Russia confirmed, “lasted more than two hours.” I want to note that he was very meaningful and very frank. And in general, in my opinion, in this regard, very useful.
So far, Vladimir Putin was optimistic.
I wanted the same continuation.
– First of all, I thanked the President of the United States for support from the United States in the resumption of direct negotiations between Russia and Ukraine regarding the possible conclusion of a peace agreement regarding the resumption of negotiations that were interrupted by the Ukrainian side, as you know, back in 2022.
That is, a special emphasis precisely on the fact that negotiations were renewed, and this is how they should be treated. This is a continuation of those negotiations, not the beginning of new ones. Consequently, they must continue with what they stopped then, in the spring of 2022.
“The President of the United States expressed his position regarding the cessation of hostilities, a truce,” the Russian president continued, “and, for my part, I also noted that Russia has advocated a peaceful settlement of the Ukrainian crisis.” We should simply determine the most effective ways of moving towards the world.
It turns out that it’s simple.
Just the Ukrainian side should part with four regions. You just have to forget about them. Is it just?
Obviously, Vladimir Putin will continue to stand on this. His position will not change. Only if it will actually be not four, but six areas over time.
– We agreed with the President of the United States that Russia would offer and is ready to work with the Ukrainian side on the memorandum regarding a possible future peace treaty with determining a number of positions, such as the principles of resolving, the terms of possible conclusion of a peace agreement, and so on, including possible ceasefire for a certain time in case of reaching the relevant agreements, ”added Mr. Putin.
This was the most significant of what he said.
Thus, Russia receives extra time (and the deadlines are not determined), while the principles of the memorandum are developed in the negotiations. About « possible. » « The future. » « With the definition of a number of positions. »
And Russia uses it as it considers necessary.
Ukraine also has time. At least according to the Lord Putin and Trump. However, this is hardly what she needs now.
That is, it turned out that again they decided something without her. If not all.
“Once again I want to emphasize that the conversation was very constructive, and I appreciate it high,” the Russian president emphasized.
Still. The result of a telephone conversation, apparently, is in his favor.
“The question, of course, is that the Russian and Ukrainian sides show the maximum desire for the world and find those compromises that would have arranged all the parties,” said Mr. Putin. “At the same time, I want to note that in general, the position of Russia is clear. The main thing for us is to eliminate the root causes of this crisis.
And this means that all over again.
“If you need to clarify something,” the Russian president summed up before finishing and leaving, “then the press secretary of Peskov and my assistant Mr. Ushakov will explain some details of our today’s negotiations with President Trump on the phone.”
And he is not up to that. He needs to open a music school for a long time.
Donald Trump reacted later by Vladimir Putin.
– My two -hour conversation with Vladimir Putin has just ended. I think he went very well! Russia and Ukraine will immediately begin negotiations on the ceasefire (but haven’t they started yet? A.K.). And, even more important, about the end of the war! The conditions will be agreed by two parties, only they know the details! .. Russia wants to conduct large -scale trading with the United States, when this catastrophic blood bath is over and I agree! .. Ukraine can also get great benefits from trade in the process of restoring the country! Negotiations between Russia and Ukraine will begin immediately! The Vatican is ready to become a place of negotiations (but this is unlikely. A.K.)! May the peaceful process begin!
Vladimir Putin insists that he will continue!
But at the same time, they both confirmed that a new round of negotiations should begin. Vladimir Putin had in mind that the goal is to prepare a memorandum, Donald Trump-as always, something else.
Meanwhile, Yuri Ushakov a few minutes later and really told something else. But from the American side again no one more except the US President had time to perform. It seems that in the Russian delegation they worked on errors after the last telephone conversation.
First of all, Yuri Ushakov emphasized that the conversation lasted two hours five minutes (and that, every minute matters). Then-that for a start, Vladimir Putin congratulated the 47th US president on the 11th grandson and wished the health of Donald Trump’s daughter.
Yes, it was competent.
In principle, after that, the conversation, one might say, was doomed to success.
“It is curious that immediately after the congratulations,” Yuri Ushakov drew attention, “immediately moved to issues to resolve the Ukrainian conflict!”
That is, they could have chatted more, but decided that it was possible without it.
“The president expressed gratitude to Mr. Trump, who pays his attention to this issue,” added Yuri Ushakov. “The positive role of the US administration, which returned Ukraine to negotiations, was noted.
The assistant to the President of Russia emphasized that Ukraine itself would never.
Yes, this role is really impossible to overestimate. Without Mr. Trump, who plays this role with varying degrees of inspiration, would not return to negotiations, however, not only Ukraine, but also Russia.
– discussed the exchange of prisoners (apparently prisoners. – A.K..), – recalled Yuri Ushakov. “This is a humanitarian action.” The presidents noted that another such exchange is being worked out (apparently between Russia and the USA. – A.K.). Nine by nine people. They also talked about the future of relations. Trump emotionally spoke about the prospects of relations. He spoke repeatedly for relations with Russia taking into account the place of Russia in the world. In the future, when the Ukrainian conflict will be settled, these prospects, in his opinion, will be impressive.
And it’s also difficult to argue with this. Meanwhile, Ukraine, no doubt, will argue.
Meanwhile, Yuri Ushakov, who was present during the conversation, also demonstrated whether he wanted this or not, a certain optimism.
“Other questions were also addressed,” the presidential assistant added. “Vladimir Putin greeted Mr. Trump’s tour and called his results impressive.
The Russian President seems to have finally learned to talk with his American colleague. What else could such a colleague be laid down? Yes, nothing. Born grandson and stunning successes of foreign policy. So far, enough.
– The President of Russia emphasized the importance of US efforts at crisis points, positively appreciated the launched process between Iran and the USA … – Yuri Ushakov did not miss this. – And we are ready to assist.
He answered the question of the two presidents that was not asked so far:
– Personal meeting … There should be prerequisites for her, it should be carefully … The question is being worked out, but so far they have not been called either a place or a date.
And yet it was an answer.
“We agreed that they were ready to call up,” Yuri Ushakov summed up. “Donald Trump said:“ Vladimir! You can pick up the phone, and I will talk to you with pleasure! ”
And what else does a person need for happiness?
Moreover, both.
Answering a question about the possible lifting of sanctions, the American president, according to Yuri Ushakov, on the contrary, emphasized that Donald Trump drew attention to: “The project is ready in Congress” (about the strengthening of sanctions. – A.K.).
“But Trump himself is not a supporter of sanctions, but a supporter of agreements,” Yuri Ushakov commented on the position of an American colleague (and who is he after that, if he really is not a colleague?).
Answering the question, they spoke to “you” or “you”, Mr. Ushakov was unequivocal: “You”, of course.
– Sincere, confidential conversation! – exclaimed the assistant to the President of Russia. “There were many deviations from the main topic, discussed the Middle East … But there is rarely such a conversation as today: when not one wanted to put the phone, I did not want to stop the conversation!”
Even so?
One is obvious. This time, Russia definitely beat all other colleagues in this conversation of the reaction to this conversation.
It remains to understand who beat whom in the conversation itself.
Here, there is a suspicion, everyone will remain with their own opinion. And it may not match.
And it will not.
